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Luke

We reap what we sow. If our planning involves lots of playing to consumer tendencies, we will end up with those kinds of sheep in our flock.
Something I've noticed about our youth group is that most teens who aren't curious about a relationship with Jesus don't tend to stick around very long. Because that's all we're about, we don't really attract students looking for "the next big thing." The culture takes care of itself.
I am often tempted to work on attracting more students, but going down the road of getting people in the door is a dangerous journey.
The most important ingredient? Prayer, prayer, prayer, prayer, prayer. It isn't sexy, flashy, or easy. It's hard and confusing. But it also produces much more mature followers.

Answered by Luke 6 months ago

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Pastor Joe

It seems to be a church wide problem all denominations included.

I am not sure we as members of the church, board members, Sunday school teachers or whatever our position is can really do anything about it.

It has to be a choice they make and it has to be a heart change! Preach the word, live the word and leave them in GOD'S hands. PRAY they would see CHRIST and have a heart change!

Answered by Pastor Joe 6 months ago

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Bruiseman

I think we need to do both. We have to be relevant to the culture we are in, and that is a consumer culture for sure. But we use those things to draw them to Christ.

Example we have a big super bowl party with a live concert at half-time to show students that church is not just stale and for old people. We then invite them to our more evangelistic program on Wed nights and from there invite them to our discipleship program. So we take it in baby steps and use things they will understand and relate to as the way to show them who Christ is but always drawing them deeper.

Answered by Bruiseman 6 months ago

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jasonbh...

I agree that the pastor ought to be driving people deeper rather than just entertaining, but what about leading by example. What about doing the stuff that isn't fun. We will be building a wheelchair ramp later this month, then doing a 30 hour famine in April. I'm with Luke--outreach? yes. draw a crowd? no. Getting out and helping widows and orphans won't draw a huge crowd, but it will change lives. I'm afraid sometimes we've become too dependent on our Sr. Pastors. Yes, we should be on board with their vision, but who says that a SP has to be the only one in the church who is innovating and making things happen?

Answered by jasonbh... 6 months ago

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sammattus

Like Jacob said it starts with the senior pastor. Sounds like he is on board though. Is your ministry team committed to teaching about biblical worship of Christ? What I mean is, do you teach your people that true worship gives? Worship that gives truly receives. I remind our people that if Christ really has a hold on our hearts, like we say He does, we will be giving driven instead of consumer driven. Teach you kids that pleasing self is contrary to what Christ. God 1st, others 2nd, us last. Eash person must begin to prepare his or herself to come to church to worship Jesus Christ. Rev. 5. We are to mirror worship in Heaven while here on earth. This experience causes us to serve..

Answered by sammattus 6 months ago

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Jacob

Starts with the Senior leadership. If the pastor wont get on board forget it... or like pastor e said.. "start a new church"

Francis Chan has a great sermon about this... Might be a good one to give to you pastor??? Sorry I don't recall the name of it. It was about 5 months ago..

Answered by Jacob 6 months ago

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pastor e

Start a new church. Seriously. Something like 80% of new christians come from new churches. They're fresh, it's personal, it's relational, etc. Outside of that, who knows. That's why Jesus said "it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the Kingdom of God!" We're a rich country and normally when you're rich it's all about you.

Answered by pastor e 6 months ago

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